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		<title>By: AffiliateProfitsClub</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/can-search-engine-marketing-destroy-your-dealers-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-6923</link>
		<dc:creator>AffiliateProfitsClub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First time checking out this blog, but I got to say I&#039;ll probably be here more often</description>
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		<title>By: Oscar Vanderkooij</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar Vanderkooij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great topic....PS Jeff Kershner can you add a search function to your blog? or am I just totally overlooking it?

Regarding PPC advertising. Most dealers are quick to spend a certain budget on PPC advertising but do not get involved in getting better results. You can bid on a general keyword like &quot;Chevy&quot; as long as you create the right text ad (remember this is advertising so you set the message) to go along with it, so you weed out people that are not looking for what you have to offer. Same goes for the landing page for that specific keyword, you need to create content that fits that keyword and your actual ad. This will obviously lowers the amount of clicks, but the great thing is you still get branding for your site with the right message and you only pay for traffic that is relevant.

Tell me how many of you guys create different campaigns for different keywords with different messages in the ads and different landing pages? I doubt more than 10% does this. Partly because we are too lazy to do this, partly because we have a third company doing it and they have just as little knowledge as us or they are too lazy, and/or our website provider does not give us the means to create a different landing page per keyword or campaign.

I am guilty of the same, because I simply do not have the time (although by the number of posts on this site, I should question myself on this ?) so I chose to use a third party provider.

Regarding the use of SEM vs SEO. SEM is not only for new websites until their website starts ranking. There is research out there that shows that a certain percentage of search engine traffic clicks on sponsored ads, so you should have your company&#039;s website in both sponsored and organic results.

Now one thing that I think you should avoid is the following. Yahoo allows sponsored listings in organic results. Yep, scary thought huh. So if you are already on top of SE listings, you have to make sure that your SEM campaigns do not list in the organic results, because it will replace your organic listings and you are paying for clicks that you would get for free.

This creates an extra load of work, because now you have to create different campaigns for different marketing messages and have to worry about whether you rank high for the keywords in the campaign organically. If you are not, have Yahoo place you in the organics, if you are, then leave that campaign out of the organics.

On top of this, you need to think whether all this is worth the hassle having to worry about. Our site is not getting enough traffic to worry about it, but some larger dealer groups should definately look at this.

Again this points to the problem I have with the inflexibility of most (probably all - just do not want to make a claim that is not true) dealer website providers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great topic&#8230;.PS Jeff Kershner can you add a search function to your blog? or am I just totally overlooking it?</p>
<p>Regarding PPC advertising. Most dealers are quick to spend a certain budget on PPC advertising but do not get involved in getting better results. You can bid on a general keyword like &#8220;Chevy&#8221; as long as you create the right text ad (remember this is advertising so you set the message) to go along with it, so you weed out people that are not looking for what you have to offer. Same goes for the landing page for that specific keyword, you need to create content that fits that keyword and your actual ad. This will obviously lowers the amount of clicks, but the great thing is you still get branding for your site with the right message and you only pay for traffic that is relevant.</p>
<p>Tell me how many of you guys create different campaigns for different keywords with different messages in the ads and different landing pages? I doubt more than 10% does this. Partly because we are too lazy to do this, partly because we have a third company doing it and they have just as little knowledge as us or they are too lazy, and/or our website provider does not give us the means to create a different landing page per keyword or campaign.</p>
<p>I am guilty of the same, because I simply do not have the time (although by the number of posts on this site, I should question myself on this ?) so I chose to use a third party provider.</p>
<p>Regarding the use of SEM vs SEO. SEM is not only for new websites until their website starts ranking. There is research out there that shows that a certain percentage of search engine traffic clicks on sponsored ads, so you should have your company&#8217;s website in both sponsored and organic results.</p>
<p>Now one thing that I think you should avoid is the following. Yahoo allows sponsored listings in organic results. Yep, scary thought huh. So if you are already on top of SE listings, you have to make sure that your SEM campaigns do not list in the organic results, because it will replace your organic listings and you are paying for clicks that you would get for free.</p>
<p>This creates an extra load of work, because now you have to create different campaigns for different marketing messages and have to worry about whether you rank high for the keywords in the campaign organically. If you are not, have Yahoo place you in the organics, if you are, then leave that campaign out of the organics.</p>
<p>On top of this, you need to think whether all this is worth the hassle having to worry about. Our site is not getting enough traffic to worry about it, but some larger dealer groups should definately look at this.</p>
<p>Again this points to the problem I have with the inflexibility of most (probably all &#8211; just do not want to make a claim that is not true) dealer website providers.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pistell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Pistell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just ramping up the 1st PPC campaign for this store.  I cannot believe all the idiot dealers out here.

I am in NY and just 2 hours into the keyword research and I am seeing dealers from Montana, Colorado, TX, N. Carolina... good God, these idiots are everywhere.


Word to Mark Bonfigli or Dean Evans.
Is your PPC management tool a stand alone platform? If so, these PPC newbies really need your help.  What better way to validate value than documenting &quot;self managed waste&quot;.

CONCEPT:
Create &quot;PPC Crisis&quot; call list using GOOG&#039;s new &quot;Ads Preview Tool&quot;.  Try it for yourself.  Goto: Adwords&gt; Campaign Management&gt; Tools&gt; Ads Preview Tool

Toss in a quality short tail keyword, then look into each State or regional   Market to find the &quot;lost children&quot;.

EXAMPLE:
state: ALABAMA
keyword: chevrolet avalanche
www.BillCrispin.com   Maine
www.CourtesyChev.net  Arizona

state: ALASKA
keyword: Chevrolet SSR (gulp!)
www.RosenthalChevrolet.com  Virginia (none in stock!)

state: ALASKA
keyword: Chevrolet equinox
www.arizona-chevy.com (I can&#039;t believe Chapman would make this error!!)
www.BillCrispin.com   Maine (oh oh, someone’s in trouble and doesn’t know it yet)

Gents, You get the idea.
Have your team feed this GOOG interface a list of quality short tail keywords then harvest the PPC URLS that are out of their geo area.  Chances are that these fellas are making PPC 101 mistakes so they&#039;re in Alaska and don&#039;t know it.

WIFM?
What&#039;s In it For Me?
I&#039;d bet there is are 50 to 100 dealers RIGHT NOW committing PPC hari kari. I am upto my armpits in a zillion PPC variables.  I&#039;d really like a free year of your TotalControl DOMINATOR to put this PPC effort on auto-pilot.  I&#039;ll sweeten the offer with a tasty testimonial to boot!

Joe
p.s. Please disregard this bird-dog request if your PPC mngt. platform requires your site, I have a totally new site in the cooker.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just ramping up the 1st PPC campaign for this store.  I cannot believe all the idiot dealers out here.</p>
<p>I am in NY and just 2 hours into the keyword research and I am seeing dealers from Montana, Colorado, TX, N. Carolina&#8230; good God, these idiots are everywhere.</p>
<p>Word to Mark Bonfigli or Dean Evans.<br />
Is your PPC management tool a stand alone platform? If so, these PPC newbies really need your help.  What better way to validate value than documenting &#8220;self managed waste&#8221;.</p>
<p>CONCEPT:<br />
Create &#8220;PPC Crisis&#8221; call list using GOOG&#8217;s new &#8220;Ads Preview Tool&#8221;.  Try it for yourself.  Goto: Adwords> Campaign Management> Tools> Ads Preview Tool</p>
<p>Toss in a quality short tail keyword, then look into each State or regional   Market to find the &#8220;lost children&#8221;.</p>
<p>EXAMPLE:<br />
state: ALABAMA<br />
keyword: chevrolet avalanche<br />
<a href="http://www.BillCrispin.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.BillCrispin.com</a>   Maine<br />
<a href="http://www.CourtesyChev.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.CourtesyChev.net</a>  Arizona</p>
<p>state: ALASKA<br />
keyword: Chevrolet SSR (gulp!)<br />
<a href="http://www.RosenthalChevrolet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.RosenthalChevrolet.com</a>  Virginia (none in stock!)</p>
<p>state: ALASKA<br />
keyword: Chevrolet equinox<br />
<a href="http://www.arizona-chevy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.arizona-chevy.com</a> (I can&#8217;t believe Chapman would make this error!!)<br />
<a href="http://www.BillCrispin.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.BillCrispin.com</a>   Maine (oh oh, someone’s in trouble and doesn’t know it yet)</p>
<p>Gents, You get the idea.<br />
Have your team feed this GOOG interface a list of quality short tail keywords then harvest the PPC URLS that are out of their geo area.  Chances are that these fellas are making PPC 101 mistakes so they&#8217;re in Alaska and don&#8217;t know it.</p>
<p>WIFM?<br />
What&#8217;s In it For Me?<br />
I&#8217;d bet there is are 50 to 100 dealers RIGHT NOW committing PPC hari kari. I am upto my armpits in a zillion PPC variables.  I&#8217;d really like a free year of your TotalControl DOMINATOR to put this PPC effort on auto-pilot.  I&#8217;ll sweeten the offer with a tasty testimonial to boot!</p>
<p>Joe<br />
p.s. Please disregard this bird-dog request if your PPC mngt. platform requires your site, I have a totally new site in the cooker.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Jefferson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Jefferson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people believe it makes more sense to run SEM on your own vs. hiring a company.  By my research there seems to be companies out there that have computer programs that generate the best key words or phrases.  Also, it would be tough to set up and to continue to monitor an ad words campaign from a time standpoint.
What do you all think about this and what have you experienced?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people believe it makes more sense to run SEM on your own vs. hiring a company.  By my research there seems to be companies out there that have computer programs that generate the best key words or phrases.  Also, it would be tough to set up and to continue to monitor an ad words campaign from a time standpoint.<br />
What do you all think about this and what have you experienced?</p>
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		<title>By: B-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>B-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex Of Checkered Flag: I guess you missed the sarcasm.
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		<title>By: Ron Northbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Northbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Article,
My 2 or 3 cents:
I can see how if you decide to build a search campaign and let auto pilot take over this can lead to a wasted internet budget and a burned dealer. I personally would prefer to pay a marketing agency with a set monthly fee to build a custom automotive search campaign, monitor it and can offer accountable results when ever I so desire to see them. I would definitely stay away from any company offering multiple sales rep BS stories on how they can do anything without a fee.

The upside to using a automotive focused marketing agney allows the people or person in the dealership to assist with providing the correct information about what the dealership wants to place in text ads and allow them to do what they do best. Sell cars, in case you&#039;re wondering, instead of looking at numbers and keywords.

As for Search Marketing being the savior of your dealership well it definitely won&#039;t do this or kill the third party providers but one thing that is certain is search marketing is here to stay. I also must add that dealerships must realize people are like water and will always look for the fastest route to find what it is they are looking for whether it&#039;s a car or a quick trip to the grocery store if you don&#039;t provide the consumer a quick avenue to find their next vehicle, compare prices, or allow them to do research during the buying process I can guarantee your competitor across the street is, and if you&#039;re spending 10k a month on full page newspaper ads why not shrink the news ad to a half  or 3/4 page and use the remaining portion on search marketing to provide this quick link and offer the searching consumer the details needed to make an educated buying decision. Just a thought...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Article,<br />
My 2 or 3 cents:<br />
I can see how if you decide to build a search campaign and let auto pilot take over this can lead to a wasted internet budget and a burned dealer. I personally would prefer to pay a marketing agency with a set monthly fee to build a custom automotive search campaign, monitor it and can offer accountable results when ever I so desire to see them. I would definitely stay away from any company offering multiple sales rep BS stories on how they can do anything without a fee.</p>
<p>The upside to using a automotive focused marketing agney allows the people or person in the dealership to assist with providing the correct information about what the dealership wants to place in text ads and allow them to do what they do best. Sell cars, in case you&#8217;re wondering, instead of looking at numbers and keywords.</p>
<p>As for Search Marketing being the savior of your dealership well it definitely won&#8217;t do this or kill the third party providers but one thing that is certain is search marketing is here to stay. I also must add that dealerships must realize people are like water and will always look for the fastest route to find what it is they are looking for whether it&#8217;s a car or a quick trip to the grocery store if you don&#8217;t provide the consumer a quick avenue to find their next vehicle, compare prices, or allow them to do research during the buying process I can guarantee your competitor across the street is, and if you&#8217;re spending 10k a month on full page newspaper ads why not shrink the news ad to a half  or 3/4 page and use the remaining portion on search marketing to provide this quick link and offer the searching consumer the details needed to make an educated buying decision. Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B-Man...where are the clicks?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B-Man&#8230;where are the clicks?</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments Joe!

Setting up a quality SEM campaign can been done without hiring a vendor.  It takes about 6-10 hours total if you do it right.  I haven&#039;t touched mine in 6 months and regularily get $.68 / click.  My only limit is what my owner is willing to pay.

And I agree with Mitch, SEO &amp; SEM are very 2000ish.  We need to look beyond.  But like Joe says, the basics are so important.

On a side note, I was looking at Suzuki of Wichita and got to say I&#039;m highly impressed with everything they do.  Their owner&#039;s passion bleeds through the pages.  I&#039;m envious.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments Joe!</p>
<p>Setting up a quality SEM campaign can been done without hiring a vendor.  It takes about 6-10 hours total if you do it right.  I haven&#8217;t touched mine in 6 months and regularily get $.68 / click.  My only limit is what my owner is willing to pay.</p>
<p>And I agree with Mitch, SEO &#038; SEM are very 2000ish.  We need to look beyond.  But like Joe says, the basics are so important.</p>
<p>On a side note, I was looking at Suzuki of Wichita and got to say I&#8217;m highly impressed with everything they do.  Their owner&#8217;s passion bleeds through the pages.  I&#8217;m envious.</p>
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		<title>By: B-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>B-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex From Proctor: Reach Local does not buy clicks in bulk and sell them back to you.  They put a ~20% surcharge on the click before they report it back to you in their reporting system so you never SEE the fees.  It is absolutely impossible to buy clicks from Google in bulk and resell them.  There are too many variables at any given time to even know what a click costs.  Time of day, competition, quality score all impact the cost of a click.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex From Proctor: Reach Local does not buy clicks in bulk and sell them back to you.  They put a ~20% surcharge on the click before they report it back to you in their reporting system so you never SEE the fees.  It is absolutely impossible to buy clicks from Google in bulk and resell them.  There are too many variables at any given time to even know what a click costs.  Time of day, competition, quality score all impact the cost of a click.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie,
Thanks for calling me personally.
Great information and it all makes much more sense now.
I will be in touch.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,<br />
Thanks for calling me personally.<br />
Great information and it all makes much more sense now.<br />
I will be in touch.</p>
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