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	<title>Comments on: DEALERSKINS – Dealer Website Services Profile and Reviews</title>
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	<description>Obstacles, Observations and Opinions of an Automotive Internet Sales Manager</description>
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		<title>By: David Lytle</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/dealerskins-dealer-website-user-review/comment-page-1/#comment-9515</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lytle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 20:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course this was a couple of years ago, so they may have become a bit smarter since!</description>
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		<title>By: David Lytle</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/dealerskins-dealer-website-user-review/comment-page-1/#comment-9514</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lytle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 20:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Main issues I had with Dealerskins sites is that their URL&#039;s were hidden. Every page of your website had the same url and made for SEO nightmare. Not to mention when you wanted to link from blogs back to your site..all you could do was the home page, due to the one url. 

I had to call into to them to get the hidden page names for our Credit Application, Specials, etc..so that I could link. This is why they are a huge SEO nightmare. After I did massive SEO work on the sites we were much better. But this is an issue that a big Dealer Webdesign Company should know better about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Main issues I had with Dealerskins sites is that their URL&#8217;s were hidden. Every page of your website had the same url and made for SEO nightmare. Not to mention when you wanted to link from blogs back to your site..all you could do was the home page, due to the one url. </p>
<p>I had to call into to them to get the hidden page names for our Credit Application, Specials, etc..so that I could link. This is why they are a huge SEO nightmare. After I did massive SEO work on the sites we were much better. But this is an issue that a big Dealer Webdesign Company should know better about.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lottman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lottman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 13:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have used Dealerskins for over a year now. Their SEO seems to be decent, but their overall design lacks tremendously. I may be nitpicking due to my web design background but I feel we could do better. Their support is average thus far since I took over the position of Internet Manager. Ive contacted them twice about re-design options but have yet to hear back from a project manager of any kind. We are currently searching other options such as Dealer.com and Dealeron.com. 

Dealerskins backend site manager is very archaic. The site editor is very limited for anyone with any kind of basic HTML experience. Their design optons would be good for a dealership who is looking to update from a site built in 1995, but if you are looking anything &quot;cutting edge&quot; you might look elsewhere.

Ultimately, you get what you pay for so be careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have used Dealerskins for over a year now. Their SEO seems to be decent, but their overall design lacks tremendously. I may be nitpicking due to my web design background but I feel we could do better. Their support is average thus far since I took over the position of Internet Manager. Ive contacted them twice about re-design options but have yet to hear back from a project manager of any kind. We are currently searching other options such as Dealer.com and Dealeron.com. </p>
<p>Dealerskins backend site manager is very archaic. The site editor is very limited for anyone with any kind of basic HTML experience. Their design optons would be good for a dealership who is looking to update from a site built in 1995, but if you are looking anything &#8220;cutting edge&#8221; you might look elsewhere.</p>
<p>Ultimately, you get what you pay for so be careful.</p>
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		<title>By: dave ghrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave ghrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we need web site info and pricing

e-mail or 248 514 1115</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need web site info and pricing</p>
<p>e-mail or 248 514 1115</p>
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		<title>By: ricky malitsky</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/dealerskins-dealer-website-user-review/comment-page-1/#comment-7909</link>
		<dc:creator>ricky malitsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi my name rick malitsky with dylanmotorcars in hatboro pa. we would like to discontinue our website with u guys if u can give us a call at 215-442-9190 as soon as u get this email. thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi my name rick malitsky with dylanmotorcars in hatboro pa. we would like to discontinue our website with u guys if u can give us a call at 215-442-9190 as soon as u get this email. thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Page</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/dealerskins-dealer-website-user-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4078</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had used Dealerskins services before and found the same thing as well.  The dealer website didn&#039;t come up a lot on the Search Engines.  This was important for our store to come up so that we could get more customers coming to our site.  The sites look great at first but we found out over time that many of the customers would not stay on the site long because of the loading of the flash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had used Dealerskins services before and found the same thing as well.  The dealer website didn&#8217;t come up a lot on the Search Engines.  This was important for our store to come up so that we could get more customers coming to our site.  The sites look great at first but we found out over time that many of the customers would not stay on the site long because of the loading of the flash.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Vanderkooij</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar Vanderkooij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

One more point I wanted to share. Usedcarking(dot)com sounds like it is not a franchise dealer. If I was to look for a service department or a new chevy, I would not click on your link and if I did by accident, I would click back since I would think you are not a franchise dealer, simply a note lot.

So, although content is king, your marketing message needs to be tailored to what your customers are expecting to find. I see at least one third of my traffic to be service related and I get more new car leads then used car leads (although I get more used car searches). Probably because they can see the price for used cars, they have to inquire for new cars.....

Hope that makes sense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>One more point I wanted to share. Usedcarking(dot)com sounds like it is not a franchise dealer. If I was to look for a service department or a new chevy, I would not click on your link and if I did by accident, I would click back since I would think you are not a franchise dealer, simply a note lot.</p>
<p>So, although content is king, your marketing message needs to be tailored to what your customers are expecting to find. I see at least one third of my traffic to be service related and I get more new car leads then used car leads (although I get more used car searches). Probably because they can see the price for used cars, they have to inquire for new cars&#8230;..</p>
<p>Hope that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Vanderkooij</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar Vanderkooij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

True. If you look at only that it means absolutely nothing. My point was simply that the more pages the search engines know about, the better.

But first regarding your site and fxchevy(dot)com being better. Do you mean the number of leads or the amount of traffic you get? Cause I really think you should get more traffic then them. Problem lies maybe in your conversion ratio? You have to admit that your main entry page is not exactly what your dealerships&#039; customer is expecting (do your know your bounce rate for this page? number of visitors that exit on the first page they see). Do you know your monthly unique visitors, unique leads, unique phone calls? and do you know the same for your competitor, fxchevy? let me know and we will see whether my point makes no sense.

Back to my point in my earlier post, my current provider has their website hard code inventory pages, so instead of having a page called dealer(dot)com/inventory.aspx?item=5 my site will create a page dealer(dot)com/2008_acura_tsx_vin_used.html and since google&#039;s algorithm looks at how often site content gets updated, having your inventory pages indexed is very important and helps your overall rankings.

Now all these fancy pants dealer website providers create fake content that is the same for each dealer and thus will not help your rankings. My provider is guilty of this too. You have to be the one to add the content if your provider allows you :(

Back to TKcarsites, their inventory is iframed into fxchevy and thus this does not help their site with search engine rankings and actually only helps getauto(dot)com that lists their inventory (just right click on their inventory tool and click properties in the dropdown). definately something they can see big results with if they change.

That said, I do agree that those numbers are not an accurate reflection of how you rank, it is simply a tool to help you improve. I would love to analyze the data from fxchevy(dot)com and usedcarking(dot)com to see where your problem is, if you think you have one. You can email me at oscar (at) goodosnacura(dot0com

PS. My site provider has problems too (too slow, too few pages, not flexible enough, etc......) but I get more traffic and higher conversion then with earlier providers.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>True. If you look at only that it means absolutely nothing. My point was simply that the more pages the search engines know about, the better.</p>
<p>But first regarding your site and fxchevy(dot)com being better. Do you mean the number of leads or the amount of traffic you get? Cause I really think you should get more traffic then them. Problem lies maybe in your conversion ratio? You have to admit that your main entry page is not exactly what your dealerships&#8217; customer is expecting (do your know your bounce rate for this page? number of visitors that exit on the first page they see). Do you know your monthly unique visitors, unique leads, unique phone calls? and do you know the same for your competitor, fxchevy? let me know and we will see whether my point makes no sense.</p>
<p>Back to my point in my earlier post, my current provider has their website hard code inventory pages, so instead of having a page called dealer(dot)com/inventory.aspx?item=5 my site will create a page dealer(dot)com/2008_acura_tsx_vin_used.html and since google&#8217;s algorithm looks at how often site content gets updated, having your inventory pages indexed is very important and helps your overall rankings.</p>
<p>Now all these fancy pants dealer website providers create fake content that is the same for each dealer and thus will not help your rankings. My provider is guilty of this too. You have to be the one to add the content if your provider allows you <img src='http://www.dealerrefresh.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Back to TKcarsites, their inventory is iframed into fxchevy and thus this does not help their site with search engine rankings and actually only helps getauto(dot)com that lists their inventory (just right click on their inventory tool and click properties in the dropdown). definately something they can see big results with if they change.</p>
<p>That said, I do agree that those numbers are not an accurate reflection of how you rank, it is simply a tool to help you improve. I would love to analyze the data from fxchevy(dot)com and usedcarking(dot)com to see where your problem is, if you think you have one. You can email me at oscar (at) goodosnacura(dot0com</p>
<p>PS. My site provider has problems too (too slow, too few pages, not flexible enough, etc&#8230;&#8230;) but I get more traffic and higher conversion then with earlier providers.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kovacs</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Kovacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

The &quot;site:&quot; searches on Google can be very valuable if the site was built correctly from the start.  I did a quick analysis of your site and found that there is one major flaw in your design that would not allow great ranking even though you have a lot of pages cataloged.  Also, with regards to fxchevy, the main factor that is having the greatest influence on the search ranking is something that is most likely being done by a 3rd party company and not TK.
They have a ton of external linking which is enhancing their relavance.  This is most likley done through a local PR firm.  If they were using a web vendor that cataloged better on Google and combined that with his external linking, he would really dominate that market.

James Kovacs
www.clickmotive.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>The &#8220;site:&#8221; searches on Google can be very valuable if the site was built correctly from the start.  I did a quick analysis of your site and found that there is one major flaw in your design that would not allow great ranking even though you have a lot of pages cataloged.  Also, with regards to fxchevy, the main factor that is having the greatest influence on the search ranking is something that is most likely being done by a 3rd party company and not TK.<br />
They have a ton of external linking which is enhancing their relavance.  This is most likley done through a local PR firm.  If they were using a web vendor that cataloged better on Google and combined that with his external linking, he would really dominate that market.</p>
<p>James Kovacs<br />
<a href="http://www.clickmotive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.clickmotive.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pistell</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/dealerskins-dealer-website-user-review/comment-page-1/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Pistell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oscar,
FWIW, site:yourdomainname.com displays a raw number of pages indexed and is one hell of a useless number (if left to stand on its own).

Example:
site:usedcarking.com = 5,120 pages
vs.
site:fxchevy.com = 14 pages
(a local competitor by TKcarsites)

The TK site totally crushes my usedcarking.com site (WTG Jim Rucker!)  So... the number of pages indexed only gains leverage IF the site has SEO engineered into it from the ground up.

I&#039;d bet ya 5,100 of usedcarking.com pages are in goog&#039;s dungeon (supplementals).

Joe

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar,<br />
FWIW, site:yourdomainname.com displays a raw number of pages indexed and is one hell of a useless number (if left to stand on its own).</p>
<p>Example:<br />
site:usedcarking.com = 5,120 pages<br />
vs.<br />
site:fxchevy.com = 14 pages<br />
(a local competitor by TKcarsites)</p>
<p>The TK site totally crushes my usedcarking.com site (WTG Jim Rucker!)  So&#8230; the number of pages indexed only gains leverage IF the site has SEO engineered into it from the ground up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet ya 5,100 of usedcarking.com pages are in goog&#8217;s dungeon (supplementals).</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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