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		<title>By: Brian Pasch</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/shoving-search-engine-marketing-down-your-dealers-throat/comment-page-1/#comment-5395</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Pasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your first point:

1.  Which other local or competitive dealers are using the same vendor?

Is the most important starting point.  Big box dealer platforms that are offering SEO services to multiple dealers with the same brand in the same state just does not make sense.

Make sure your SEO consultant will not take on another like brand in your State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first point:</p>
<p>1.  Which other local or competitive dealers are using the same vendor?</p>
<p>Is the most important starting point.  Big box dealer platforms that are offering SEO services to multiple dealers with the same brand in the same state just does not make sense.</p>
<p>Make sure your SEO consultant will not take on another like brand in your State.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/shoving-search-engine-marketing-down-your-dealers-throat/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff this is a fantastic post - and you are spot on about the advertising. You should send this post into Crain&#039;s, or even other non-automotive magazines.

This post is sort of hilarious to me because it&#039;s basically our sales pitch! I&#039;d only add a couple more points:

9) Discuss the agency fee. Flat rate, % of spend, sliding scale, performance oriented? We&#039;ve been running with a 15% fee, and have been thinking about rolling that down to 10% after certain thresholds. I&#039;m honestly not sure this is the ideal structure, but it is  simple and easily auditable.

This is really important, not just so you get a good deal, but that the company you&#039;re working with is going to be making enough money on your account that they can actually spend some time with it. When you ask for your reports, it&#039;s a good time to discuss your current monthly specials, or problems, ideas, and get them rolling on updating your campaign for the next month.

Which leads to...

#10) Watch out for long term contracts. Unless it&#039;s part of some this-for-that negotiating, we don&#039;t want them from our clients. Pay us up front for the month, and if you hate us after 5 days and kick us out we&#039;ll only keep what we spent and our 15% on that.

This work is really front-loaded, and yeah, we&#039;d lose out on a client that canceled after just a month or two, but we gotta keep ourselves honest - if it&#039;s just not working for you, that money needs to fix whatever&#039;s broken. Now hopefully we can help with that, but if not, fine. Fix it, and come back to us in 3 months so we can relaunch your campaign bigger and better, and ultimately we both make more money.

Maybe just one more thing... be a little willing to experiment once in a while. One of our clients gives us some impressive freedom to try new approaches out, and it&#039;s been a good thing. Several months back, we cut, across the board all the max CPC&#039;s by 30%. It resulted in a drop in position, but a 50% increase in clicks, and conversion ratio actually went UP. It was a gamble, and only because we had already seen a pretty solid trend of falling CPC and rising CTR, which we assume was due to good ad copy. Granted, it could have easily gone the other way, and we&#039;ve had experiments flop on us before,  but if you totally buy into the herd mentality you lose out on one of the biggest SEM advantages, which is super-flexibility.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff this is a fantastic post &#8211; and you are spot on about the advertising. You should send this post into Crain&#8217;s, or even other non-automotive magazines.</p>
<p>This post is sort of hilarious to me because it&#8217;s basically our sales pitch! I&#8217;d only add a couple more points:</p>
<p>9) Discuss the agency fee. Flat rate, % of spend, sliding scale, performance oriented? We&#8217;ve been running with a 15% fee, and have been thinking about rolling that down to 10% after certain thresholds. I&#8217;m honestly not sure this is the ideal structure, but it is  simple and easily auditable.</p>
<p>This is really important, not just so you get a good deal, but that the company you&#8217;re working with is going to be making enough money on your account that they can actually spend some time with it. When you ask for your reports, it&#8217;s a good time to discuss your current monthly specials, or problems, ideas, and get them rolling on updating your campaign for the next month.</p>
<p>Which leads to&#8230;</p>
<p>#10) Watch out for long term contracts. Unless it&#8217;s part of some this-for-that negotiating, we don&#8217;t want them from our clients. Pay us up front for the month, and if you hate us after 5 days and kick us out we&#8217;ll only keep what we spent and our 15% on that.</p>
<p>This work is really front-loaded, and yeah, we&#8217;d lose out on a client that canceled after just a month or two, but we gotta keep ourselves honest &#8211; if it&#8217;s just not working for you, that money needs to fix whatever&#8217;s broken. Now hopefully we can help with that, but if not, fine. Fix it, and come back to us in 3 months so we can relaunch your campaign bigger and better, and ultimately we both make more money.</p>
<p>Maybe just one more thing&#8230; be a little willing to experiment once in a while. One of our clients gives us some impressive freedom to try new approaches out, and it&#8217;s been a good thing. Several months back, we cut, across the board all the max CPC&#8217;s by 30%. It resulted in a drop in position, but a 50% increase in clicks, and conversion ratio actually went UP. It was a gamble, and only because we had already seen a pretty solid trend of falling CPC and rising CTR, which we assume was due to good ad copy. Granted, it could have easily gone the other way, and we&#8217;ve had experiments flop on us before,  but if you totally buy into the herd mentality you lose out on one of the biggest SEM advantages, which is super-flexibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pistell</title>
		<link>http://www.dealerrefresh.com/shoving-search-engine-marketing-down-your-dealers-throat/comment-page-1/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Pistell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a SEO reporting service for our industry?

I am about to build one (because I can&#039;t find one).  It&#039;s rather simple, enter your zip code, ck off the brands you carry and submit.

report returns a table with page and position in the top 3 engines.  Assign a numberical value to page and position (ultra high reward for page 1 postion one, dramatically falling after position 5, then really bad off page one).

You&#039;ll track your before SEO and after SEO efforts, or, before Blog and after Blog results.

My site (I built) has nearly top rank for 100 miles around for searches like (year, make, Model, location).

example: chevrolet equinox dealer niagara falls, ny
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-21,GGLJ:en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=spell&amp;resnum=0&amp;ct=result&amp;cd=1&amp;q=chevrolet+equinox+dealer+niagara+falls,+ny&amp;spell=1


Hmm... Blog is really a &quot;long tail&quot; device. Blog measurement is best left for another tool, but, what &#039;cha think?

Joe

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a SEO reporting service for our industry?</p>
<p>I am about to build one (because I can&#8217;t find one).  It&#8217;s rather simple, enter your zip code, ck off the brands you carry and submit.</p>
<p>report returns a table with page and position in the top 3 engines.  Assign a numberical value to page and position (ultra high reward for page 1 postion one, dramatically falling after position 5, then really bad off page one).</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll track your before SEO and after SEO efforts, or, before Blog and after Blog results.</p>
<p>My site (I built) has nearly top rank for 100 miles around for searches like (year, make, Model, location).</p>
<p>example: chevrolet equinox dealer niagara falls, ny<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-21,GGLJ:en&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=spell&#038;resnum=0&#038;ct=result&#038;cd=1&#038;q=chevrolet+equinox+dealer+niagara+falls,+ny&#038;spell=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-21,GGLJ:en&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=spell&#038;resnum=0&#038;ct=result&#038;cd=1&#038;q=chevrolet+equinox+dealer+niagara+falls,+ny&#038;spell=1</a></p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; Blog is really a &#8220;long tail&#8221; device. Blog measurement is best left for another tool, but, what &#8216;cha think?</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Umer Farooq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umer Farooq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! Conversion is the key thing that matters. Personally I&#039;m of opinion it should be part your job as Internet Manager to manage the Pay Per Click SEM campaigns. It really does not take that long as you will still need to analyze the PPC reports and that is the most time consuming part.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! Conversion is the key thing that matters. Personally I&#8217;m of opinion it should be part your job as Internet Manager to manage the Pay Per Click SEM campaigns. It really does not take that long as you will still need to analyze the PPC reports and that is the most time consuming part.</p>
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