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Sean Wolfington Accepts Chairman of the Board of VinSolutions

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Posted onFeb 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Updated onUpdated on Mar 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM

(Vocus/PRWEB ) February 14, 2010 — Sean Wolfington has agreed to serve as Chairman of the Board of VinSolutions, the industry leading automotive “Dealership Marketing System” that helps retailers attract, sell and retain more customers profitably.

“We asked Sean to join our board because of his vision and his unique experience leading some of the most successful marketing and consulting companies in the industry,” said Doug Kinney, CEO of VinSolutions.

We asked Sean to join our board because of his vision and his unique experience leading some of the most successful marketing and consulting companies in the industry

After I saw the power of their all-in-one system to do everything a dealer needs I had to get involved. Their system reminds me of Apple, because they revolutionized the automotive technology market the way apple revolutionized the mobile market

Wolfington co-founded and led Cyber Car and Automark (sold to Reynolds and Reynolds in 2001) and BZ Results (sold to ADP in 2006). Wolfington currently owns Tier 10 and Level 5 Marketing and serves on the board of the Lumen Institute.

“After I saw the power of their all-in-one system to do everything a dealer needs I had to get involved. Their system reminds me of Apple, because they revolutionized the automotive technology market the way apple revolutionized the mobile market,” said Wolfington.

VinSolutions offers retailers one platform that integrates all of the tools they need to run their business and it integrates with all the main DMS systems including ADP, Reynolds, AutoSoft and Arkona. “I was spending too much to 15 different companies that did not integrate and now I pay 75% less for one system that does it all and more,” said Todd Crossley from Crossley Ford, the #1 Ford retailer in the Kansas City Market. “Now I have one system that does everything from managing my internet marketing to desking and financing in one system that is easy to use.”

“We work tirelessly so we continue to have the best technology in the industry and we invited Sean to join our team because we want to have the best team in the industry,” said Mike Dullea, co-founder and COO.

ABOUT VINSOLUTIONS (www.vinsolutions.com)
VinSolutions has the leading “Dealership Marketing System” that helps retailers attract, sell and retain more customers profitably. Their “all-in-one” sales and service marketing system includes digital marketing, search marketing, online advertising, social media marketing tools, websites, internet lead management, CRM (Customer Relationship Management), Sales force automation, Sales Management and Desking, Appraisal, Finance, Used Vehicle Marketing and Market Pricing, Inventory Management and Distribution, Hand held inventory marketing tools, window stickers, automated video tours, Loyalty Management and Targeted marketing with email, text, direct mail and telemarketing services. The “Dealership Marketing System” has complete mobile integration and is accessible from any mobile phone that has access to the internet including both blackberry’s and iPhones. VinSolutions Dealership Marketing System is installed by their strategic consulting team who specializes in retail strategy and process training for large dealer groups and individual dealerships. VinSolutions is certified by Honda, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Subaru and Audi and integrates with ADP, R&R, AutoSoft and Arkona. Vin also has alliances and integrations with Kelley Blue Book, CarFax, Autodata, RouteOne and DealerTrack.

About Sean Wolfington
Sean Wolfington, Chairman and CEO of The Wolfington Companies, is an entrepreneur with businesses in the marketing, technology, real estate and entertainment industries. Wolfington founded some of the leading automotive marketing and consulting companies in the industry – Automark and Cyber Car (sold to Reynolds and Reynolds in 2001) and BZ Results (sold to ADP in 2006). BZ Results was recognized as the “Innovative Company of the Year” for pioneering digital marketing in the automotive industry and enabling billions of dollars of retail sales over the Internet. At the age of 34 Wolfington was a finalist in Ernst & Young’s “Entrepreneur of the Year Award” which was won by Wayne Huizenga, founder of Blockbuster and Autonation, the previous year.

Wolfington currently owns two leading automotive marketing companies; Tier 10 specializes in working with large dealer groups and Level 5 marketing specializes in working with regional advertising associations. Both organizations help retailers implement results-oriented marketing strategies that increase market share and profitability by building the brand, attracting more hi-quality opportunities, improving sales and service revenues, and increasing customer satisfaction and loyalty.

Wolfington will serve as chairman of the board of VinSolutions, the pioneer of the market leading “Dealership Marketing System” that helps retailers attract, sell and retain more customers profitably.

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Jeff,

Thanks for spreading the good news.

I am looking forward to hearing about what DealerRefresh readers think about VinSolutions and how we can continue to grow and improve.

Sean.
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Guys - We are the lucky ones! To have a person like Sean Wolfington join VIN is an honor. I can tell you personally I love working with this guy! His energy, passion, and idea's are awesome! Today VIN is 24 - 36 months ahead of all companies in our space. Just setup a product overview via the web and see for yourself. Now with Sean Wolfington in the mix, everyone is going to see it, hear about it, and understand it better! Keep up the great work DealerRefresh! This is the only MUST read blog in automotive.

Godspeed!

Sean Stapleton
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Sean,

always good to see excitement in our space. I can't help but be curious as to what solutions/products are 24-36 months ahead of everyone elses. Would love to learn more about these new developments.

Mark Bonfigli
President, CEO
Dealer.com, Inc
www.dealer.com
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Hey Sean I'd love to know as well how you feel so far ahead of the pack. Maybe you'd be open to a joint presentation on video for the fine folks that read DR? Maybe you against me on video for all to see how far you are ahead?

Richard Keith Latman
Chief Executive Officer
iMagicLab

www.imagiclab.com
[email protected]
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Richard Keith Latman - Thank You for your response. I would love to have a vendor "Bake off" with you on video, live, or anyway our customers and prospects would like to see this. It would be great for the industry to really understand where everyone stands. NO BS, or "Coming Soon" stuff! Richard Keith Latman, remember you made the offer and I am 100% looking forward to this! Do you want to see if we can we get any other CRM providers involved? Again, my only goal of this is to show the automotive world where we all really stand. Should be great for all involved!

Where can we host this event? Online or at a industry show?

Again, great suggestion and I really look forward to it!

Let's Roll!

Sean
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Sean here's my suggestion:

1. If Jeff and Alex are up to it I think they should moderate the event.

2. All costs split between the companies.

3. They get logins to both tools and live access during and after the event.

4. Video will be streamed/played unedited only and cannot be used by any company for any other reason.

5. You and I both allowed 45 minutes for a presentation and then each of us allowed 30 minutes to ask/answer questions from each other.

6. Just you and I (along with Jeff and Alex) and NO communication or devices to our corporate offices.

7. Both of us demo in a real dealers active account.

8. If you can't show it live it doesn't exist and the moderators are free to fact check and question during the event.

Both video of our screens and of our faces will be made. Alex and Jeff should be free to then use the video and their live accounts to post their review of the contest.

What do you think? I am trying to structure a fair and real event where people have no opportunity to kink the technology or the message. What each of us says stays on the record and the moderators are free to adjust the rules on the fly where they see fit.
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Sounds like we've got a VinSolutions vs. iMagicLab faceoff! Jeff and I are definitely in. We're working on scheduling right now.

I hope nobody cowers out!
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Any dates you pick with 2 weeks notice and I will clear the schedule. Let's rock and roll
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Wow. A duel! I'd suggest the famed dueling grounds in my adopted hometown of Weehawken, NJ, but they are currently under the on-ramp to the Lincoln Tunnel. They were good enough for Aaron Burr to kill Alexander Hamilton, but now they are a break-down lane on the way into Manhattan.
Seriously, it's great to see 2 confident folks willing to put it on the line. I wouldn't be surprised if each company doesn't have some clear strengths. The winner here is sure to be the dealers!
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Ed you are right... Sean? Anybody home? Are we doing this?

Richard Keith Latman
Chief Executive Officer

iMagicLab LLC
www.imagiclab.com
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    Shawn Morse
  • March 9, 2010
I would love to see some more of the big names get involved. Come on Dealer Socket, eLead, CarResearch lets put everyone to the test.
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I worry about it getting very confusing. One on one is the way to go. Hey maybe we can do a CRM Playoff system? THAT would be fun.

No matter, I can't even get a follow up from the company that's YEARS ahead of us. Sean?

:)
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    Shawn Morse
  • March 9, 2010
Sean is in some important meetings today and through the rest of the week. I am sure he will reply as soon as he has a minute.

I am thinking maybe a March CRM Madness with brackets and the whole deal. Maybe Dick Vitale can moderate!
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    Shawn Morse
  • March 9, 2010
this needs to be at a live event maybe Digital Dealer or the like. That would ensure a fair format and would allow more vendors to participate. Then the judges are the dealers and that is the whole point right?
Alex Snyder
Shawn & Sean - the stage has been set. It will be 1 person from VinSolutions, 1 person from iMagicLab with Jeff & me as the moderators. It will just be the 4 of us for the first go. If this works out well (which it will) then we've created a forum for future vendor vs. vendor shoot-outs. To do it at a conference or to include more than 2 CRM companies will complicate things so much that the audience (your clients) will not benefit.

Jeff, Keith, and myself are just waiting to hear from you guys as to when this best fits your schedule. The ball is in the VinSolutions court.
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Arent you all glad I asked the question that started this amazing tangent? :) -mb
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Alex - Who says the car business isn't fun!
Alex Snyder
Just to maybe give VinSolutions a hand on scheduling, I'll throw these dates out:

March 25th - 29th

....anywhere in there works for me. If travel is required, then I suggest the weekend of the 27th. I've already got my vacation time approved :)
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, and to make sure there is no favoritism, which CRM do you and Jeff use? If you use either Vin Solutions or iMagic Labs you need to remove yourself or selves as the judges and get impartial judges that use neither program! People tend to vote with what they're familiar with so get some Higher Gear or Autobase users to judge the programs fairly!

Thanks,

Mitchell
Alex Snyder
That has already been considered Mitchell. Jeff is with neither company nor has ever been. I, however, am an iMaigcLab client and because of that will be taking a side role to Jeff on this one.
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    Jeff Kershner
  • March 9, 2010
I use neither of these 2 CRM's.

I doubt a Higher Gear or Auotbase user would even understand nor recognize the features in a progressive CRM such at iMagic or Vinsolutions. Ahhhh freedom.
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But having someone affiliated with one of the contestants no matter how small a role is just not fair play. I agree that if the point of the Bakeoff is to see which program would benefit dealers more then it must be judged by impartial dealers at a live event and other CRM vendors need to be included. (Not Higher Gear or Autobase though) The problem with this whole thing is that the people setting it up are also the people judging and the people running the forum so there will always be the feeling of impropriety even if there isn't any.

Move it over to a more impartial forum like Auto Dealer Monthly or Kain or ADM and let good dealers without affiliation with either program judge. I'd love to see an impartial contest but there's no way for it to be impartial this way!
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    Jeff Kershner
  • March 9, 2010
We are proposing 4 of us in a room with 1 computer that will be used for the "bake off". Exact same computer, same OS and same agreed upon browser.

The session will be recorded on video and the computer sessions will be screencasted and cut for one final video with all attendees approval.

Myself or anyone will NOT be judging but only asking questions and performing tests to be sure there is nothing biased.

I repeat, you can call US moderators but we will NOT be judges .. the dealers will be the judge. It's that simple.

P.S. Mitchell - "Move it over to a more impartial forum like Auto Dealer Monthly or Kain or ADM and let good dealers without affiliation with either program judge." Really? I'm not sure where that statement comes from. Again, we will NOT be judging.

I too would be good for March 25th – 29th.
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    Matt DoCampo
  • March 9, 2010
A CRM duel! Sounds fantastic, especially since my hometown is the aforementioned, Weehawken, NJ.

HA! Can't wait to watch.
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Guys I will make my schedule available any days but the 24th but I need to know. This "I am in a meeting" stuff doesn't cut it. Last I checked the Internet was available "down south" or wherever Sean is. He wasn't too busy to claim he was "years" ahead and he wasn't too busy to accept the dual....

Come on Sean, let's do this.

Richard Keith Latman
Chief Executive Officer

iMagicLab LLC
www.imagiclab.com
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Moderators? 4 people in a room? What will they discuss? Politics and exchange pie recipes? Sean would never agree to this!

You are going to let this be recorded and edited? Never going to happen.

If something like this were ever to go down, it would have to be live, in a dealership, a prospective client. The better tool walks out with a check in hand for full boat.

Putting Sean in a room with 4 people would be like caging up a lion in the wild. It would be like me throwing you the keys to a Ferrari with no engine.
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    Andy Wright
  • March 9, 2010
I hope someone records this for those of us that can't watch this play out live? Will you be taking questions from people not actually participating live?
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Only problem is, who are the other companies that will demo alongside imagic? Vinsolutions' CRM is just one piece of the profit performing machine.. Everyone adds a customer, and sends out emails. Vinsolutions will have to dumb down a demo to just show CRM.
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Ahhh and here comes the VIN paid poster folks.

Christian get your boss Sean to show up and we'll go against every "profit performing" piece you have. We'll easily match up against everything you have and then school you about a thing or two. You've obviously never seen DealerCRM.

I am not responding again, this is turning to a waste of time. It's put up or shut up time
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Richard i agree no more posts it is going nowhere.

I am a well paid poster folk!

Where are your employees?

Do they continue to keep their competitive edge while not at the brick and mortar?

do they continue to listen to car dealerships' concerns and the challenges that they are facing in march 2010?

i'll wait for one of them.

or even a satisfied customer. LOL
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    Shaun Raines
  • March 10, 2010
This is sofa king great!

Bonfigli... nice job.

Jeff... maybe I should help you moderate.
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This all comes off as a staged set-up for a dog & pony show for VIN to pitch itself for a sale within the next 90 days.

Is Sean simply the closer brought in to make the deal happen?

Honest question from a non-user.
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Well, there better be a sale before this dual of vin and imagiclab. Nobody will want VIN Solutions after we show the World how far they are really behind

:)
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I for one had never heard of this guy, Richard Keith Latman, until this forum. I feel I can read people pretty well and I just didn't like anything about this guy just from the entries on this page so I did what I usually do. I researched. I won't get into the whole legal thing as I wasn't there and I don't know what happened but it certainly seems like it was more than hiding a ring according to the News Sources I read from 2007. What really struck me was his personal blog. If iMagic is the greatest CRM/ILM on the planet I wouldn't do business with this guy. Everybody I've spoken to or communicated with whether on blogs or email or phone from Vin Solutions has been a complete gentleman. This guy comes across, on his own blog, as a complete A-Hole. I guess his glass house has been boarded up with sheet metal otherwise he'd have nowhere to live!
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And as usual when the heat gets too much try to take it off topic. You guys at VIN bragged about being years ahead, we all just want you to prove it.
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First off, I'm a dealer and not a Vin Solutions employee and I've never bragged about being years ahead. This whole thread reeks of self promotion and a lot of iMagic setting themselves up to win. Lets see:

1) Your customer runs the forum and will be a moderator.
2) You came up with the process for the "Bakeoff" and your customer agreed that that's the way to do it
3) No suggestions by anyone else have been answered except to basically act like a two year old saying NaNaNaNa
4) The same customer will be hosting the whole thing on his forum

Come on guys this is not a contest. It feels like the old south with a hanging jury!

If I was Vin Solutions, and I'm not, I would NEVER get involved with this and I'd advise them to walk away and just continue to grow as a company and make the constant updates and changes we see on a weekly basis.

This tit for tat does no one any service and it should end.

How's your glass house?
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Btw, I am happy to be the industry a-hole who tells it like it is and blows away all the smoke in our space. Too many people lie and fleece dealers, it's time for accountability. We don't need another BZ Results and I for one am going to stand up and educate.

My blog is www.microworkz.com and I hope you all read it. Now can we get back to what software is going to make you more money and truly help keep you ahead of the curve?
Alex Snyder
Mitchell - we knew as soon as you got into this things would go off-topic quick. And once again you show where you have absolutely zero vision and a major hard-on for VinSolutions. If you care to respond, please do so in the forums - we can duke it out there.

Sean Stapleton said his company is 2-3 years ahead of anyone else on DEALERREFRESH. Keith proposed a bake-off on DEALERREFRESH, Sean Stapleton accepted. Keith proposed the rules to keep it fair. Jeff and I accepted and accepted to make it available to everyone on DEALERREFRESH. Jeff and I are on DEALERREFRESH. Both Jeff and I are professional enough to not show a bias. You'll just have to wait and see the final outcome and make your own decision. Now, please stop commenting in this thread because you're not helping.

The only thing that should be posted in this thread is VinSolutions saying which date(s) work best for them.
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Mitchell this board is Jeff Kershner's and he is not our customer. Alex has opted to take a back seat on this. Get your facts right.

Look bottom line is if your VIN solutions hadn't lied about being years ahead we wouldn't have had this in the first place. I am done, it's obvious your guy has no intention of backing his words up.

Oh yeah, you are a VIN customer and fanboy, stop hiding.
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Thank god for you! If we didn't have honest people with your incredible integrity in this business where would we be? We should have a statue erected in your honor as the keeper of all things great and desirable! So what that you have a shady past? So what that you are a loudmouth, opinionated EC? So what if the Seattle Times article from 3/06 states that "In April 2001, U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Karen Overstreet in Seattle told the Latmans' lawyer that bankruptcy-court protection was intended for "honest debtors," and that in her seven years on the bench she had never seen a case so permeated with "inconsistencies" and "excuses.""

Read whole article

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20060324&slug=latman24

We don't care about any of that. You are now the greatest living person that ever entered into the auto industry arena and we salute you for that.

You see now my Brooklyn is coming out! I've lived in NJ for 20 years but the Brooklyn stays forever!

You opened this mess. I suggest you stop now while you're...

...well you're not ahead but stop anyway!
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Let's get this shooting match over so everyone can get back to complaining about AutoTrader.com. (And I still think pistols on the Weehawken Dueling Grounds would be a good time for all!)
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Hahahaha, old news little man that your VIN team tells every dealer before they lose the sale. Thousands of dealers have read the background and still signed up for the winning team.

The only thing I have to say is when will your new boss show up for the shoot off? He won't? He wants to talk about racecars or girls? Haha...

BZ Results lives and it's called VIN Solutions now. The only background that matters is what Wolfington and Company have done to dealers in our space in the last few years. Ask ADP how happy dealers are with his last company.
Alex Snyder
The conversation between VinSolutions, iMagicLab and DealerRefresh has moved offline. We will update everyone when we have a full report to give.
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Cant we just all get along?

Maybe this will cheer you all up?....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rGwsEmRUNg

Enjoy.

-mb
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I think we just had this bake-off at NADA on the exhibitor floor for all the CRM vendors that wanted to participate.
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I am actually just enjoying reading this so much that I am at a loss for words. I actually do not know what to say. However, this cracks me up and is fun to read.
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I won't speak to the products or people referenced in this post to avoid the perception of taking sides, but I can speak to the issues that this post has surfaced -- and it has nothing to do with Vinsolutions or any other vendor that decides to challenge them on what was obviously a subjective comment by a proud employee. I know DealerRefresh, Jeffery Kershner and Alex Snyder to be honorable "car guys" who invest their time to share best practices with the philosophy that a rising tide floats all boats. The challenge that surfaced in this post had all the makings of a perfect opportunity for us all to listen and learn from some established auto industry experts. Instead of learning about their respective platforms we learned that we are our own worst enemies when we attempt to define the competition as the enemy. Auto industry social networking communities such as this have value if they follow the same professional competitive practices that we extend to eachother in person; or at least that we should. The personal attacks that titilated the readers forced the professionals that would have benefitted from the proposed challenge to tune out with less information and time than we started with. I have reviewed most of the vendor applications that were referenced in this post and I can honestly say that I always consider the people before the product or the price so let the indivduals who have commented decide the impression that they have made on me and my dealer clients. I only do business with friends since after sales service is often dependent on the people behind the product who represent the best equalizer for the inevitable issues that will surface on even the best platform. After all, what are friends for!
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    Nicki Allen
  • March 15, 2010
Wow! This string seemed to get a little personal over the last few days! I will stay out of picking sides, even though I am a VIN Solutions client (I'll go ahead and put that out before someone thinks it's a huge secret to reveal) I do believe that VIN is a superior system but I have never seen iMagic CRM. I am not looking to be attacked or start any arguments, my questions are just seeking answers, not challenging anyone over anything.

As a dealer, I find a lot of great information on this site and appreciate it's unbiased approach on things. I understand that many vendors and press as well as dealers find benefit here for many different reasons. I'm not sure what Mitchell (whoever you are) did but thought it was a little abrasive where all this went. Personal information being shared and people telling others that they have no business posting on the site, when let's be honest, that's what this and many other sites are about (not condoning whatever that attack from Mitchell was either though). I personally don't see where any of this back and forth banter has gotten anyone, especially considering it was suppose to be a "bake-off" between 2 CRM companies. Nothing beneficial is coming from all these attacks and insults and I'm sure everyone can agree to that.

I will say that I think if there is to be a competition between the 2 giants that it should be in some sort of live format and not left up to moderators. Let's face it, that's the only way anyone will think it was a fair assessment. Even if Alex and Jeff were to pick 10-12 dealers that had no connection at all with either company to sit in and listen. It's unfortunate but lets all face reality... dealers, for the most part, tend to be very antiquated in their thought process when it comes to technology and software solutions so no matter what 2 moderators (not to be insulting to Jeff or Alex AT ALL. I admire what you guys do and the impact you have on the industry) say dealers won't take any of it seriously unless they feel like some of their own were in the trenches. And after all, dealers understanding and choice is what it all really comes down too anyway, right?

Just a suggestion... once again, not trying to start WWIII or anything! ;)
Alex Snyder
Just to keep everyone up to date on what is going on right now:

Rules for the bake-off have been proposed to all parties. They are up for debate amongst the parties, but one of those *proposed* rules is that the bulk of the questions come from the DealerRefresh community. If that rule is agreed upon by all parties, then a thread will be started on the DealerRefresh forums (http://forum.dealerrefresh.com) to solicit those questions.

We have heard that VinSolutions would like to do this at the up-coming Digital Dealer event, which is a great idea! However, iMagicLab is not available during the conference. iMagicLab has also requested that this first bake-off remains only between iMagicLab and VinSolutions. Future bake-offs are a different story.

The dates that still work best for DealerRefresh and iMagicLab are March 25-29th.

We are all still waiting on word from Sean Stapleton.
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    Nicki Allen
  • March 15, 2010
I'm curious why iMagic is wanting to keep it behind closed doors? I would be interested to see both parties strengths.
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    Clarence Romero
  • March 15, 2010
First some of these comments are really un called for. This coversation was started one way, then another person takes it somewhere else? I really learned about some people reading this. Like always Mark Bonfigli the gentlemen, with his product line I am shocked he didn't say more, and Alex and Jeff I couldn't agree with you more. I have seen imagic's product and Vinsolutions does have nice stuff, but grossly oversold. I don't think they are years ahead of anybody. I do think they have a couple of unique features, but doesn't everyone?

I really want to see this happen, then other vendors can match up. Have all their claims and facts checked and then an award given to the winner. I cannot imagine what would be the best form of advertising.
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Unless I'm mistaken (always a strong possibility), the idea here is for both companies to have the opportunity to show their strengths side-by-side. Jeff and Alex would act as moderators, not as judges. No "winner" would be declared, but all who view would be able to decide which (if either) product might be right for their dealership.

Think of a Presidential debate; questions come from the moderators and audience, but no winner is declared. The winners are the voters, having been better informed. It is quite possible that two dealers could watch and each walk away liking a different solution because it fit their particular needs best.

Jeff and Alex are stand up guys and I'm sure they would do an outstanding job keeping things fair.
Alex Snyder
Ed - you're 100% on the money.
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Let's just be clear here: iMagicLab will go anywhere, anytime to do this bakeoff and nothing has been proposed by VINSolutions. No format, no place, no time, no event, no nothing.

The only thing we have heard, and not directly, is that VIN does nor consider us competition so why bother. Why bother Sean? Why back up your words? Why prove that you are years ahead?

It's obvious, you aren't coming because you can't win. Sean I will pay for everything in case you guys are short on funds and that's why this doesn't work, just put your mouth and product up against your words.

If we were on the lot you'd be doing starbucks runs for a long time. Oh, that's right, you've never worked on the lot...... Haha
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    Nicki Allen
  • March 16, 2010
Last I checked Presidential debates were live. Not filmed and edited by the 2 candidates to their liking.

And I totally agree Alex and Jeff are stand up guys.
Alex Snyder
I'm not calling anyone here out in particular (Nicki, don't take this as me talking directly to you). But I just want to point out that no rules have been posted on this thing yet. A set of rules for the format have been proposed ONLY to the parties involved. Speculating what you think is going to happen is purely speculation on your part. Ed Brooks has the proper vision for this bake-off.

Sean has not come back to say anything since he publicly accepted this bake-off. A lot of other VinSolutions folks have been vocal, but not the key player.

This comment thread has taken some bad turns, but the one thing it has been is transparent to what is transpiring. I suggest that the dealers and staff of VinSolutions quiet down because you're really not helping their cause. In fact, you're making it tougher for Sean.
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    Nicki Allen
  • March 16, 2010
Sorry Alex, I must have misread your post from last night about iMagic wanting to keep it private. I really am interested to see these companies up against each other. Hopefully this will either be put into play or put to sleep and moved on from soon.
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    Clarence Romero
  • March 16, 2010
Hey Alex,

Your 100% right, people have misread this thread terribly. I didn't read anywhere where imagic wants to keep it private, it was a Vinsolutions employee who said that. We even heard from Matt Watson who said that this bakeoff was already done? Sean made a statement, several people questioned it with no response to the questions, and Keith made a challenge and Sean accepted. I don't see how anyone other than the two challengers should be talking about the format.

We all know Jeff and Alex, we joined their forum and read them daily. They offered to help not judge, they also proposed the platform and a solution, they have not set anything yet, they only offered a suggestion on a platform with no response from the other party.

Point is, let the two challengers settle point place and time.
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    Nicki Allen
  • March 16, 2010
Keith- assuming this "bake-off" isn't going to happen I would like to see a demo on your product. Shoot me an email [email protected] when you get a chance. Thanks
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